I know this is a controversal topic, but what are your thoughts on imprisonment and the death penalty - for people who commit such crimes as stated above? I ask you because I know you are mature and well articulated. You claim your own voice and individuality - and I respect you for this.
I don't support the death penalty but I am full fledge force supportive of imprisonment, especially in situtations like above.
The main problem with the death penalty is that if you goof, you can't take it back.
Then again, imprisonment can't actually be taken back, but at least you are alive.
On the other hand imprisonment has it's own issues. And when you get right down to it, the odds are that unless they keep that guy in isolation the whole time he's in prison, he's likely to be killed anyway. By the other prisoners. (I've known ex-cons, they've got standards. That guys counts as scum by *their* standards, just like child molesters)
Imprisonment doesn't really *solve* the problem. It just postpones it. And it's actually a very recent practice.
I'd feel a lot better about imprisonment if the prisons didn't actually *encourage* a lot of criminal behavior. And they are the worst for the people who might actually have the best chance of being rehabilitated if we actually *tried* that anymore.
As it is, assaults, rape & extortion (ie "protection racket" type stuff) are "normal" in prisons. And most of the guards not only don't care, they *use* these things to keep "troublemakers" in line.
I love how the courts decided that 24/7 video surveillance violates prisoner's rights, but don't consider the assaults, rapes & murders that it'd prevent to be worthy of consideration.
I am currently reading a non fiction book about prison (juevinelle) and it's gotten me very intereted to know more about state/adult facilities. You bring up some good points, espeically about how guards feel and treat prisoners/and are suppossed to feel/treat prisnors for authority purposes.
Prison is one of my biggest fears. I have trauma from police which has formed into phobia of prison. Learning about prison has been a way of facing my fears, even though in reality - prisons will always be here. I can do everything I can to remain OUT of one.
Going for the long shot since I don't know you quite well: Do you do public speaking? If not, have you considered it? I feel your voice and ideas are strong, and need to be heard. For whatever it's worth, these are the kind of voices that create change.
Going for the long shot since I don't know you quite well: Do you do public speaking? If not, have you considered it? I feel your voice and ideas are strong, and need to be heard. For whatever it's worth, these are the kind of voices that create change.
I am *terrible* at public speaking. And "arguing" things with people is even worse.
I might make an ok essayist, if such were still popular.
But between my abuse issues, PTSD from that and othyer things and my social anxiety/social phobia, public speaking is a *definite* no.
Especially with regards to anything emotionally charged.
I can be rendered mute for all practical purposes in such situations. Old "conditioning". :-(
This issues you speak of are some of the areas that interest me in psychology. So I study, learn and can understand from personal experience (about the social anxiety - I have actually recovered pretty well from it on my own but it used to be severe). Getting your voice out in essay format can be just as powerful. Without words there would be no vocal-speech, you know? Keep writing out your thoughts, feeling, views, values, and opinions - you never know who they might help, including you.
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Date: 2006-11-15 07:11 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-11-15 07:17 am (UTC)I don't support the death penalty but I am full fledge force supportive of imprisonment, especially in situtations like above.
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Date: 2006-11-15 09:53 am (UTC)Then again, imprisonment can't actually be taken back, but at least you are alive.
On the other hand imprisonment has it's own issues. And when you get right down to it, the odds are that unless they keep that guy in isolation the whole time he's in prison, he's likely to be killed anyway. By the other prisoners. (I've known ex-cons, they've got standards. That guys counts as scum by *their* standards, just like child molesters)
Imprisonment doesn't really *solve* the problem. It just postpones it. And it's actually a very recent practice.
I'd feel a lot better about imprisonment if the prisons didn't actually *encourage* a lot of criminal behavior. And they are the worst for the people who might actually have the best chance of being rehabilitated if we actually *tried* that anymore.
As it is, assaults, rape & extortion (ie "protection racket" type stuff) are "normal" in prisons. And most of the guards not only don't care, they *use* these things to keep "troublemakers" in line.
I love how the courts decided that 24/7 video surveillance violates prisoner's rights, but don't consider the assaults, rapes & murders that it'd prevent to be worthy of consideration.
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Date: 2006-11-15 10:59 am (UTC)Prison is one of my biggest fears. I have trauma from police which has formed into phobia of prison. Learning about prison has been a way of facing my fears, even though in reality - prisons will always be here. I can do everything I can to remain OUT of one.
Going for the long shot since I don't know you quite well: Do you do public speaking? If not, have you considered it? I feel your voice and ideas are strong, and need to be heard. For whatever it's worth, these are the kind of voices that create change.
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Date: 2006-11-15 01:09 pm (UTC)I am *terrible* at public speaking. And "arguing" things with people is even worse.
I might make an ok essayist, if such were still popular.
But between my abuse issues, PTSD from that and othyer things and my social anxiety/social phobia, public speaking is a *definite* no.
Especially with regards to anything emotionally charged.
I can be rendered mute for all practical purposes in such situations. Old "conditioning". :-(
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Date: 2006-11-15 04:14 pm (UTC)Big hugs with glitter on top and everything special.