Urg. That's bad.

I suspect you have enough experience to understand why a nurse friend did a facepalm when I described one ER visit to her.

I got the usual "epinephrine and IV" bit. Only thing was the nurse doing it gave me the epi shot *before* getting the IV started.

It took *eight* tries. Both ways in each elbow and both ways in the back of both hands. It was one of the back of the hand sticks that finally worked. I had bruise. Many bruises...